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ZSJ Is Ready For The Tokyo Dome

IWGP World Heavyweight Champ Zack Sabre Jr. Talks The Future Of NJPW, TMDK, Nigel McGuinness, Technical Wrestling, and Wrestle Kingdom/Dynasty


FEW WRESTLERS HAVE A stronger case for calling 2024 their year than Zack Sabre Jr. His growing list of accomplishments includes becoming the second foreigner to win the G1 Climax, big wins over Bryan Danielson and Hechicero, wrestling in Wembley Stadium, winning the IWGP World heavyweight championship, and walking into the main event of Wrestle Kingdom in the Tokyo Dome as the champion. To add a cherry on top, the TMDK frontman was voted as 2024’s Tokyo Sports MVP, becoming only the second foreigner to claim that distinction.

Zack Sabre Jr. has long been lauded as the best technical wrestler on the planet. But as he heads into potentially two back-to-back Tokyo Dome main events versus Shota Umino and Ricochet respectively, Sabre has earned the right to be referred to as simply the best. PWI contributor Lyric Swinton caught up with the world champion shortly after the conclusion of World Tag League for an exclusive interview about the future of NJPW, TMDK, Nigel McGuinness, technical wrestling, and Wrestle Kingdom/Dynasty.

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PWI: You’re only the second foreigner to win the Tokyo Sports MVP award. There was a lot of support for you winning the award. You’re in good company with Sareee over on the women’s side. You set a lot of great goals for yourself earlier this year, saying you wanted to be G1 Climax winner, you wanted to be IWGP World heavyweight champion, and you wanted to walk into the Tokyo Dome as champion. Talk about how this award and being the second foreigner to win it fits into some of the goals that you set for yourself at the beginning of this year.

ZSJ: Yeah, I mean, out of all of them, I definitely thought [Tokyo Sports] MVP would be either the most difficult or the least attainable, just because it’s independent from New Japan. I can sort of control my own personal achievements, but [Tokyo Sports MVP] is more objective. I was conscious that only one foreign wrestler had won it before. And essentially, Bob Sapp won it for all of his achievements, but I think it was mostly through his MMA success that year. So yeah, definitely to win it, to have the support of the media … and the committee is quite broad with peers, journalists, and I think especially for them,  I’ve been in Japan for 13 years now, so for them to give me that acknowledgment is definitely one of the best things I’ve ever achieved. And it’s the first time I’ve got to reflect on the year. I guess this is where the calendar year’s ending. But with the G1, obviously the focus is just on the size of the match, then after that winning the [IWGP World heavyweight] belt, then trying to get some defenses in before heading into the Dome. So yeah, it’s definitely a real end to the year. 

PWI: You talked about winning the G1 and winning the [IWGP World heavyweight] belt and having all this. But you’ve also been a leader in New Japan with TMDK this year and bringing Ryohei Oiwa under your wing, in addition to already having Kosei Fujita. What has that been like, being a leader in New Japan, not just as champion, but also in helping to mold the next generation of stars? 

ZSJ: Mikey and Shane dubbed me “The Front Man,” so I guess it’s still technically their group. So yeah, I’ll take the front man on the front of the band. But yeah, my goal … TMDK obviously started as a platform to really spotlight Australian wrestling at a time when there was really no focus on the domestic Australian scene. And Mike and Shane were sort of flying the flag for Australian wrestling. I think if we’d all stayed in NOAH for longer, it was inevitable that I would’ve joined TMDK officially. In the nature of being the only three full-time foreigners there, I was sort of adjacent to TMDK. But then after Suzuki-gun ended, and I joined TMDK, I definitely didn’t want TMDK to be a stereotypical foreign group. That wasn’t going to be part of our mindset for the three of us, especially since Japan’s had such a huge impact on our careers, and I think it would be facetious to hide our love for Japan. 

So I was conscious from joining TMDK straight away that I wanted Japanese wrestlers in the group, just to have that connection fully with Japan, and then also to be able to give a different environment for young Japanese wrestlers. Obviously, we’ve been through the dojo system. Even in my original wrestling school [Hammerlock], there was a hierarchy, and there’s a hierarchy system in Japan. But I think that’s important in all of wrestling. I wanted to have an environment in TMDK where it could be more relaxed socially, but then there’s still expectations with training and delivering. It works wonderfully with Fujita. He was already an enigma anyway, but I think his growth from joining TMDK last year to now is pretty unparalleled. And then, likewise, obviously the goal is to do that with Oiwa now. It’s just nice to be able to be in a position to assist young Japanese wrestlers whilst also not stepping on the toes of the environment. 

I wasn’t going to treat those boys like I’m a Japanese senpai. That’s not my role. That’s not how I can help them. I think it’s a nice environment for them to be in. And it’s also inspiring for us, as well. They caught my attention. Their debut match, I think, is one of the best debut matches I’ve ever seen. It was in the peak of COVID. The restrictions for the events were very rigid. So to debut in that environment and have that much energy and natural skill was just as inspiring for me.

PWI: Something that most of you in TMDK have in common is your time in Pro Wrestling NOAH. A big thing that happened right before you ended up winning the G1 Climax is that Yoshinari Ogawa announced his retirement. Obviously, he was a big mentor to you throughout your career and also ended up crossing paths with Oiwa right before he came back into New Japan. Talk about the impact that he has had on your career and your being able to achieve so much this year as he’s said goodbye to his own career. 

ZSJ: Yeah, by far. I mean, if he’s not the most influential, important figure that I’ve met in wrestling, he’s definitely top two. I grew up watching Japanese wrestling and being a huge Japanese wrestling fan, so I already had an image of Ogawa-san before I got here. And I admired in the peak of All Japan that he just had such a unique presence and clearly his own philosophy. But then also [for me] to come to Japan, especially with the foreign wrestlers, he was so conscious to take care and look out for everyone. He really went above and beyond. The two or so years as his tag team partner is one of the best experiences, not of my career, but of my life, just getting to spend so much time with him professionally and socially and just to talk to him and get his philosophy … not just on wrestling, but on life. 

And I mean, you could see until the day he retired, how much passion he had for pro wrestling. He was doing 30-minute draws up until the moment he had to retire. His love for pro wrestling I think was just so apparent. And then, like I said, with Fujita and Oiwa, I had my eyes on them from their debut. Obviously, I dressed them up in my ring gear a couple of times. I definitely was eager to be involved with them. But after Oiwa went over to NOAH for his excursion, it just became a no-brainer that he’d come into TMDK when he [returned to New Japan]. I was speaking to Ogawa regularly, and he was training with Oiwa and speaking very highly of him. Any praise from Ogawa is hard to come by and you have to work for it, so the fact that he was speaking well of Oiwa was all the endorsement that I needed. I think it’s also a nice way for me, Mike, and Shane to be able to be thankful and acknowledge the opportunity that NOAH gave to us and how thankful we are for it. I feel like we sort of get to combine every element of our journeys with TMDK and having Oiwa in there now. 

I’m glad that I got to wrestle with Ogawa one last time.  I was on the (2023) NOAH New Year show, so obviously I didn’t realize that’d be the last time that I got to wrestle with him. But I’m glad I got to go back twice to NOAH and team up. He’s just the coolest. He’s just the coolest man. He’s the coolest man that ever … he hasn’t aged. He hasn’t aged in two decades or maybe even more. Effortlessly cool. 

Zack Sabre Jr. attempts to fight out of Yoshinari Ogawa’s straightjacket hold at Wrestle Kingdom 16 in Yokohama. (PHOTO BY ISSA MARIE)

PWI: Switching gears from the younger generation to your own journey: A couple years ago when Suzuki-gun dissolved and you branched out as a solo wrestler, starting from winning the [NJPW] Television championship and being the inaugural person to hold it at Wrestle Kingdom 17 to where you are now, what was in your mind when you evolved and made that clear shift to becoming a frontman and really setting off as a single star? What were you thinking? And did you think that you would be where you are today when you originally set out on that journey? 

ZSJ: Japan has always been the, I mean, not even the end goal for me, but the goal. So, with that, I’ve always strived to reach the top, but then I’ve always been happy for the journey. Every experience as a wrestler contributes to who you are. And then, my time in Suzuki-gun, I’m forever in debt to that group because that gave me a real platform and home. The nature of being a touring Japanese wrestler is you’re with your team all the time. Towards the end, I was the only foreign wrestler in Suzuki-gun. I think it really gave me a connection to Japan properly to be amongst a team of Japanese wrestlers, especially during COVID. Everyone was really looking after me, but I felt like Suzuki-gun ended at its perfect time. 

I loved that we ended amicably. I think we were one of the only wrestling units that ended in that way, but I think it was the right time for the unit, and it was the right time for me as well. Teaming with Taichi was incredibly fun. I think we brought out the best in each other and we were able to win Tokyo Sports Best Tag Team, which was my first Tokyo Sports award up until now. And I don’t think New Japan had won that for a long time. So [Suzuki-gun] definitely gave me a platform to be in a prominent position in New Japan. 

But ultimately, my style, the way that I wrestle, and the way that I’m passionate about, I’m a singles wrestler at heart. With the TV title being announced around that time, it just felt like the right timing to be able to put my stamp on a new championship that didn’t have any preordained image about what the style of this title is. The rules, in theory, do not suit my style so I saw that as a challenge, as well. In title matches or big singles matches, New Japan has a 60-minute time limit, so you’ve got a lot of room for freedom; where 15 minutes is a separate challenge from most of my career where I have the freedom within a larger time limit. 

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I really owe my entire career to Japanese wrestling. I am reciprocating all of the support and the opportunities I’ve been given … I want to vindicate the company and the country and everyone that’s been behind me the whole time.


PWI: What was that challenge like as a wrestler? Because I think that you have a reputation for these longer matches and during that TV title reign, you had 15 minutes or less. It was a very strong reign with a lot of great title defenses all over the world, but when you’re already so good at something, what is that thought process of changing or condensing your style into 15 minutes? 

ZSJ: Well, I am a big fan of post-rock and ambient music. Even some of the techno I listen to, it’s like 10, 12 minute songs. It’s going to sound incredibly pretentious, but I definitely likened it to having an improvisational jazz band trying to make a two-and-a-half-minute radio pop song. I think you always want a new challenge in wrestling. I’ve been wrestling 18 years or so, up until that point, so I think that’s the most exciting thing about wrestling. Even when you’ve been doing it for a long time, there are always new challenges. Ultimately, it’s about how much you want to test yourself and get outside your comfort zone. But I think it reaffirmed to me that my style is adaptable. I believe in the way that I wrestle and will stay true to it regardless. But I think it proved to me that [my style] can work in different formats, as well. Fifteen minutes is a pain in the ass. I get more tired in some of those 8-minute matches. You have people just coming at you nonstop than longer New Japan main events.

PWI: The Speedball [Mike Bailey NJPW TV title match] was crazy. 

ZSJ: Well, yeah, he’s a maniac. I don’t think he ever gets tired. It’s impossible. Although, I think I’d rather wrestle him with a 15-minute time limit. Because otherwise, if he’s coming at me like that for 60 minutes, I don’t know which one is worse.

PWI: You’ve made it your mission to put British wrestling on your back, British technical wrestling, specifically, and you’ve had some really high profile matches all over the world, namely with Bryan Danielson and Hechicero. To be able to have these big matches that everybody has their eyes on all over the world, that are rooted in technical wrestling, what has that been like this year? And now that your platform is growing, what are your plans to continue to grow technical wrestling and the British style going forward? 

ZSJ: I think the most important thing about pro wrestling is that it can be whatever you want it to be or whatever it can be. So, the restriction is only what the wrestler puts on themselves, or whether it’s another form of art, or sport, or entertainment, or whatever it is.  The key is just being sincere in this context. The rest that you want to be, I think people can connect with that, if the sincerity is there. I’m fortunate that I’m in a really prominent position now, but I believe that I’d be wrestling the way that I am without the success that I’ve had. The start of wrestling that I was most passionate about and inspired by was technical wrestling and submission wrestling. That’s what inspired me to become a wrestler in the first place, and that was always going to be the way that I wanted to wrestle. But it takes you a little to figure out. 

It’s a sort of continuous progression, and I feel that I’ve got endless room to grow with this style, experiences, everything, too. As you become an old wrestler and everything that adds into your career, I feel like I can continue to evolve it and make it contemporary. But I’m very conscious. I was very lucky to be trained by one of the last traditional British wrestling schools. And as the British wrestling scene becomes much more Americanized, I take pride in being a wrestler with British wrestling roots. So yeah, I’m very conscious to keep as many elements of a traditional British style alive, but every style would always evolve anyway. I’m trying not to have the nostalgia be the driving force. I definitely want each year of my career to be where I can reflect and be like, oh, okay, look, this is how it grew. 

Then, directly with the Danielson and Hechicero matches … Bryan is, he’s not one of the best technical wrestlers of all time, he’s the greatest wrestler that’s existed in my lifetime. And Hechicero, I think he’s finally got the attention that he deserves. So yeah, I think the exciting thing about technical wrestling for me is that to be able to do the match in Mexico with Hechicero and have that element of lucha libre and Llave submission wrestling coming through, and then with Bryan in America and in Japan, I hope that it inspires people if they’re passionate about technical wrestling to aim for that style or to show that you can have that style and be successful. But also, that doesn’t mean that’s what I think all of pro wrestling should be. I think pro wrestling is fast, and that’s what makes it beautiful. 

ZSJ tries a triangle chokehold on CMLL’s Hechicero at RevPro’s anniversary show. (PHOTO BY SCOTT LESH)

PWI: In the same vein of British wrestling, you, right after winning the G1 Climax, got to perform in Wembley Stadium, come out to Mass Lines and have a staredown with Nigel McGuinness, who made his return after a long time away from the ring. What was that week like? Not to mention, you wrestled Hechicero the night before in Copper Box Arena.

ZSJ: That was a mad week. Every young Brit dreams of performing at Wembley. I think probably most young kids are dreaming of playing football there or maybe playing a gig. To get to do it for pro wrestling definitely felt much more rewarding. I had no idea that Nigel was going to be involved in it either. I was blown away by the response. Obviously, I spent most of my career in Japan. I don’t wrestle full-time for AEW, so I wouldn’t have expected the reaction that I got. And then to have Mass Lines playing.  Chris Thomas, the front man of Mass Lines, is a really old friend of mine. We both grew up on the Isle of Sheppey together and were both in Canterbury after. So yeah, to be able to have a close friend’s song play me out in Wembley Stadium against a British wrestler like Nigel that I’d come to terms with never getting to wrestle, and then to actually have it so well received seems like I’ve just made it up. The fact that’s actually a real thing that happened is a highlight of an insane year. 

And [Nigel] owes me … he still owes me a singles match, as well, because Big Nige looks very genki, that’s healthy in Japanese. He is in the shape of his career, although I do wish he had his old hair and the iron and the spikes. Is he still claiming that he singlehandedly reunited Oasis as well? 

PWI: Yes. 

ZSJ: He can have that. Yeah. If Nigel was getting back in the ring, I’ve been able to wrestle some really incredible wrestlers, and I’d have come to terms with never getting to wrestle with Nigel in a one-on-one match, but I think that has to happen at some point. 

PWI: I mean, [AEW X NJPW] Forbidden Door is in London in 2025. 

ZSJ: Maybe Nigel, I’ll do my hair like yours. We’ll do it together. I’ve got blonde hair now, too. I think we’ll leave the iron at home, though. 

PWI: Wrestle Kingdom, this is the third big checkmark that you had for this year, walking into Wrestle  Kingdom as IWGP World heavyweight champion. You’re up against Shota Umino, who is a controversial pick to say the least. Your career this year, it seems to be the year where you reap all the benefits of all your hard work. There’s been so much conversation about Shota (Umino), the entire Reiwa era, the Musketeers, the younger generation, and who’s deserving of what. What are your thoughts about him being in such a big prominent spot at the Tokyo Dome in 2025, such a time of change for New Japan? 

ZSJ: I think one thing that’s perhaps a bit misguided with the reactions to Shota is that the moments that he’s been booed were both following my title victory and my defense against Shingo. Previously in the night on those events, he was cheered and very popular. I’m touring around the entire country continuously. The reactions that he gets are very positive. He’s definitely one of the most popular young wrestlers in the whole company. I think the Japanese fans are very pragmatic and just perceive him to have not perhaps had the achievements this year or since returning from excursion to warrant challenging for me, and then, specifically, at the Tokyo Dome. But I mean, objectively, this is the strongest year of my entire career. I believe that the main event of Ittenyon January 4 always should be only against a full-time New Japan wrestler. 

This is the most important platform for the company to really set up not just the year, but the future, Especially since Wrestle Dynasty is the following day, then I think that’s the day for collaboration. If it’s not Shota, objectively, who this year has a rightful stake to challenge? He’s the only person that continuously had my number over these last few years. I mean, he’s beat me in three tournaments now at New Japan Cup 2023, during the G1 and then during World Tag League. My objective is to lead New Japan into the future. I’ve obviously got the benefit of having a 20-year career. I think that’s why my achievements this year have been so warmly received, obviously globally, but really domestically in Japan. It’s been a long journey so you can’t really cheat experience in that way, but I think his eagerness to reach the top of New Japan is the right merit. 

But I think that’s also why [his eagerness] is perhaps perceived to be, probably desperate is the wrong word, but rather than just letting things naturally come at the right time. And then the downfall would be proclaiming yourself the “Ace” before you are. That’s a term that’s given to you. It’s not one that you can bestow upon yourself, even if the intention is sincere. But I think it’s a great opportunity for New Japan. This is the first Tokyo Dome main event where both people involved in the match are first-time main-eventers so I think the symbolism of it is still really important. And then it’s my role now as the champion and as the most experienced wrestler to bring out the best version of Shota. This is my first Tokyo Dome main event, so even with all the success that I’ve had this year, I still have to make myself a Tokyo Dome-level main event for the first time. But I also have to make my opponent that, as well, and I’m very confident that I can do it. 

PWI: Typically as a foreigner, you’re one of the only foreigners in New Japan, but with the Tokyo Dome shows, there are going to be a lot of foreigners coming in from CMLL, AEW, Ring of Honor. You’ll also have women involved from the Stardom side. There’s so many people making either debuts or returns to the Tokyo Dome like Kenny Omega, Mercedes Moné, in addition to the International Women’s Cup. So many people, even Oiwa and Fujita are people who’ll come into the Dome for the first time or first time in a long time. Is there anything that you’re excited to see over those two days as a fan of professional wrestling that you’re looking forward to? 

ZSJ: The laziest thing will just be me saying about my own boys, but the fact that Fujita and Robbie (Eagles) are challenging at the Dome, challenging for the Junior tag titles, I mean, Fujita and Oiwa are both three years into their career, but I think it’s almost forgotten at this point or rightfully neglected. The level and the capability they have is just phenomenal. Also, I’m really happy that Robbie Eagles is in a prominent position at the Tokyo Dome, and I think they’re going to lead in the junior heavyweight division for the foreseeable future. 

Big Roy being in a Tokyo Dome title match three months after returning to New Japan is really incredible. I’m most excited. I think Wrestle Dynasty, especially, is just incredibly fresh. I’m excited for the New Japan fans. Obviously, there’s going to be a lot of international fans coming, but I’m excited for the Japanese fans just to be able to get to watch a really diverse and varied Tokyo Dome event. Positions on the Tokyo Dome card when there’s just one event in a year are very coveted. I think there’s so many people that might not have had opportunities before that get to be on this platform. Every wrestler understands the importance of something of the level of a Tokyo Dome event. So, I think the quality of the show is not in doubt at all. If there’s any doubt about the cards, I think once the events have happened, people are going to be really blown away. 

PWI: Obviously, you are rare as not just one of the only foreigners to ever main-event the Tokyo Dome but also lead the company. What does it mean to you to be a foreigner in Japan? A lot of people talk about going to Japan to get better, but it’s typically to train then go somewhere else. But this has always been your end game. What’s the responsibility that you feel towards leading the company and knowing that you’re in rare air in doing so? 

ZSJ: I think everyone has different objectives. I think there’s nothing wrong with a wrestler who’s striving for success in America to want to come to Japan for experience or to wrestle here for a short period of time. But this is the end goal for me and that’s why I wanted to train in a Japanese dojo. I’d been wrestling for nine years before I got invited to the Pro Wrestling NOAH Dojo, and I jumped. I got on the first possible plane that I could because I knew that to cement myself into the landscape here, it takes time, and it takes effort and transparency to show that you are respectful and passionate about the industry here. I think the reception that I’ve had this year, especially before the G1 and before the title match, obviously Japanese fans are very encouraging, but it’d be easy for them to sort of be like” Zack, just do your best.” But before everything, it was like, “No, you will win,” or, “We think you’re going to win the G1.” I could just feel the perception and view of me change. And I think that’s just the culmination of 13 years here and the fact that I can’t hide my nerdiness about Japanese wrestling. 

I think I really owe my entire career to Japanese wrestling. I am reciprocating all of the support and the opportunities I’ve been given and then to be so warmly received this year with all the achievements I’ve had, I want to vindicate the company and the country and everyone that’s been behind me the whole time. I see my responsibility to not only lead New Japan, but also to bring out the best in all of the young wrestlers. My goal by defeating Shota, for example, at the Tokyo Dome, that I’m going to give him all of the tools that he needs to become the wrestler that can himself lead New Japan into the future. Right now, I’m focusing on my own success still, whilst obviously helping the young wrestlers as much as possible. But in the near future, it’ll be my responsibility to solely focus on assisting the young wrestlers. 

PWI: This year, there’s not just one Tokyo Dome show, there’s two, and you have another opponent on January 5. Ricochet is making his return to New Japan Pro-Wrestling in the Tokyo Dome. Obviously, he’s now part of AEW, he’s made a significant career shift over the past couple months, trying to return to his old form and bring something new to the table. What are your thoughts about Ricochet, coming in, attacking you, aiming straight for the top, and Wrestle Dynasty as a whole, adding on this second show and having on the product than typically?

ZSJ: Well, I think that’s the suavest way I’ve ever been attacked in my entire career. I can’t believe … I mean, I’m in a suit right now. I can barely … well, I have on slip-on loafers, so they don’t have any shoe laces because I can barely bend down to tie laces that aren’t there. The fact that he was able to springboard and fly at me in a suit and dress shoes is remarkable. And obviously, the fans in Osaka were very excited and happy to see Ricochet back. He’s got an amazing history in Japan. He spent a lot of time here and has a great perspective of two different companies between Dragongate and New Japan. Ricochet and I have a big history. We’ve wrestled all over the world. We’ve had singles matches in the U.K., Germany, all across America. The first trip that I had to Australia, we wrestled twice. 

Japan is one of the last places we need to tick off. At the Tokyo Dome, possibly for the IWGP World heavyweight title, is the biggest platform we can do it. We are generational rivals in a way. We’re a similar age, have similar career lengths. Like I said, I’m going to main-event in the Tokyo Dome for the first time, and then I plan on doing that back-to-back nights. But likewise, with Shota being a first-time main-eventer as well, Ricochet’s in that same position. So I know that he will understand the gravitas of it as well. Especially having left his previous employers and being in AEW now, I expect the best version of Ricochet, and I’m excited to see how Ricochet will approach wrestling for the [IWGP World] heavyweight title. He was a junior heavyweight in New Japan for a long time, but he’s in incredible shape. He was already before, he was one of the strongest wrestlers I’ve ever been in the ring with. It was ridiculous. So, I only know he is going to be in better condition and shape now, but with heightened motivation. 

Both matches have the opportunity, but as fresh Tokyo Dome main events where there’s not an expectation of, “Okay, this is how these previous races that have had multiple main events, this is how they approach it.” I think that’s one of the most exciting things about it. On paper, perhaps they’re somewhat unusual Tokyo Dome main events, but that’s how you progress a company and how you usher in a new era where it’s a very interesting time for New Japan. I think we have more young potential main-eventers or top young stars than ever before in New Japan’s history, whether that’s foreign or Japanese. The Dojo’s done an incredible job recently, but I see my responsibility is to be carrying New Japan for the foreseeable future until those young wrestlers are ready. Obviously, I’m biased, I think it’ll be Oiwa to usurp me. But I hope … yeah, just let me have the belt for a little bit, Roy, let me have a little bit. 

NJPW Wrestle Kingdom 19 takes place LIVE on Saturday, January 4 at 3:00 am EST/12:00 am PST on NJPW World & Triller. The NJPW x AEW x ROH x CMLL x STARDOM co-promoted Wrestle Dynasty will air LIVE on Saturday, January 4, 2025 (Sunday, January 5 in Japan) at 11:00pm EST/8:00pm PST on NJPW World & Triller.

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Blair Onyx Talks Midwest Wrestling, Glory Pro, And More

BLAIR ONYX MADE her first appearance on any annual Pro Wrestling Illustrated ranking in the 2024 “Women’s 250.” For those who have followed her path to success since she debuted in 2018, the recognition seemed not only well-deserved, but a long time coming.

Kristen Ashly of PWI is an avid Midwest wrestling aficionado, and took the opportunity to speak with Blair on her remarkable year.


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ASHLY: This year you ranked on a PWI list for the first time! Congratulations! What made this year different from others?

ONYX: Thank you! I feel like this year I did a lot more focus on inner work, and trying to focus more on keeping a consistent routine and actually enjoying the work I put into it. When you enjoy the journey, it becomes easier to be more consistent. I also made more of an effort to ask for help from different people and take more charge in communication with my coaches and mentors.

ASHLY: You had an extremely busy year, wrestling for nearly 20 different promotions. When it comes to indie promotions, which was your favorite to work with? Is there a certain way you approach choosing bookings?

ONYX: Some of my favorite promotions to work for include Freelance Wrestling, Glory Pro Wrestling, 2econd wrestling and many more. The main thing I look for in a company that I work for is that I enjoy the work I do there and I feel like I am able to play my role well. In regards to choosing bookings, I feel as though I try to fill up my calendar, always, to have more matches under my belt and more experience! I love wrestling in front of different crowds; it teaches me a lot.

ASHLY: You’re one of the talented women who have broken through from the Midwest scene. I live in Wisconsin, and I know the wrestling scene here is often slept on. In what ways do you think the Midwest scene is special?

ONYX:  I think the Midwest scene is special because we have so many prominent names that have come out of here like Cora Jade, Kylie Rae, Billie Starkz, and many more. I wouldn’t even say we are slept on. I think the Midwest girlies are making some ruckus!

ASHLY: What did wrestling in the Midwest teach you, compared to other areas?

ONYX: I feel like I mostly learned all I know from the Midwest, so I think it’s not really for me to say that I learned better here than another place because I didn’t have those experiences. I think success comes from within. 

ASHLY: Also out of the area aew Laynie Luck, Sierra, Missa Kate, and so many others. Do you think the women of the Midwest hold special attributes?

ONYX: I think the Midwest girlies definitely hold their own, but I wouldn’t say we’re above any other region, because I feel as though women’s wrestling as a whole is killing it. 

ASHLY: While ROH was in Iowa, you made an appearance facing Billie Starkz. How did the opportunity come about?

ONYX: I got a message two days before [asking] if I could make it out to Cedar Rapids. I was available, and two days later I debuted on ROH! It happened pretty quickly. 

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ASHLY: You had your fair share of matches with Billie in the past. Was this one different?

ONYX: Yeah! I never faced her on such a grand stage, and it felt like the biggest opportunity I’ve ever had. So, it was very full-circle to face someone I was a little familiar with in the ring. 

ASHLY: Glory Pro is a well-respected promotion, and you recently competed in their Women’s Crown title tournament. Laynie Luck eventually won the tournament against Shazza McKenzie in the final submission match. Any plans to go after a friend for the title?

ONYX: Absolutely! No matter who holds that title, friend or not, Glory Pro has been a fundamental part of my development as a performer in general, and there would be no bigger prize there for me than the Women’s Crown title. My mind is absolutely on how to advance myself in the ranks at Glory Pro. I recently picked up a singles win against Aminah Belmont, so I should be on their radar for a future title opportunity … and if not, I’ll make some noise. 

ASHLY: Now that you’ve debuted, what are your plans to rank higher next year? What’s in store for you?

ONYX:  I think I might have done something right in the past year with how my career has gone, so I am grateful to see the upswing. But now that I’ve gotten a taste of that, my mind is on how to continue this momentum. The work never stops, it just gets harder. 


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RHIO Talks U.K. Dominance, AEW All In and WrestleMania Weekend

SINCE THE TITLE’S INCEPTION in 2017, 28-year-old Rhio has defended the PROGRESS Women’s championship more than any champion has during one reign. Successfully defeating a dozen-plus challengers, including Lana Austin, Kanji, Nina Samuels, Delmi Exo, and Session Moth Martina, is no easy feat.

Rhio’s PROGRESS title run has reached more than 400 days, but it’s by no means her only accomplishment worth celebrating. The U.K. powerhouse ranked #25 on the 2024 “PWI Women’s 250,” making her the highest-ranked U.K. freelancer on the 2024 list.

PWI‘s Kristen Ashly spoke with Rhio about her record-breaking year.


ASHLY: Congratulations on your “PWI Women’s 250″ ranking! You made #25. What do you think made this year so special?

RHIO: This year, I’ve broken records and made history in some of the top independent promotions in Europe. I feel this year has been my best work so far, and with every challenge I’ve come out stronger. Also, this year I made my debut in the U.S., which is another big milestone for me. I think this year has had many special moments for me, so many amazing matches and incredible opponents. Opportunities have come and I’ve just run with it. Just as I think it can’t get any crazier, it does.

ASHLY: You’ve held multiple titles during the evaluation period for this year’s list. Do you have one that you’re particularly proud of? Is there one you think is missing from the list?

RHIO: I’m particularly proud of holding both the ICW and PROGRESS Women’s championships, especially when I was holding them at the same time. Both of these championships are legitimate world championships and have such a rich lineage. So, to be able to join the list of incredible women that have held these championships means a lot to me. In terms of one I feel is missing, I am definitely going to be working towards the RevPro Undisputed British Women’s championship. 

Rhio holds aloft the PROGRESS and Insane Championship Wrestling Women’s belts. Given the breadth and depth of competition surrounding each prize, she believes both championships to be legitimate world titles. (PHOTO BY ISSA MARIE)

ASHLY: One title you should feel incredibly proud of is the PROGRESS Women’s title, which you held the entire evaluation year. What defense did you find the most difficult?

RHIO: I’m extremely proud of holding the PROGRESS Women’s world championship. It’s hard to say which is the most difficult defense as there has been quite a few. But some of the ones that spring to mind are: the 4-way ladder match I had at this year’s Super Strong Style 16, myself versus Emersyn Jayne, myself versus Lizzy Evo, and myself versus Kanji, off the top of my head.

ASHLY: What defense do you think is still missing?

RHIO: I feel me [against] the DEFY Women’s champion is something that is missing. Especially with the partnership of PROGRESS and DEFY. So, hopefully that is something we can do. 

ASHLY: U.K. women’s wrestling is known as some of the best in the business. How do you feel the U.K. stacks up against other countries?

RHIO: Oh, I agree the U.K. women’s wrestling scene is incredibly strong at the moment, and I’m proud to be a part of it. We have one of the best women’s wrestling scenes in the world. So many beautiful, strong, and talented women that will step to anyone to prove themselves. Women putting in consistent hard work.

Rhio joins Saraya’s entourage at Wembley Stadium during the second AEW All In event.
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ASHLY: One incredible moment to see as a Rhio fan was your in-ring appearance at All In, supporting Saraya. How did that moment feel?

RHIO: I loved appearing at AEW All In supporting Saraya. And being a part of a moment that involved two incredible British women [Saraya and Jamie Hayter] in front of a huge crowd at Wembley was very special.

ASHLY: How did that opportunity come about? AEW has a wonderful group of U.K. talent. Is that somewhere you’d like to wrestle on a regular basis?

RHIO: The opportunity came about after I received an email inviting me to Cardiff and All In. AEW has so many amazing British wrestlers and is definitely somewhere I could see myself wrestling regularly.

ASHLY: WrestleMania Weekend in Philadelphia was the time to see Rhio! You had two title defenses that weekend, one for PROGRESS and one as part of Kevin McElvaney’s ThrashElvania. Both were incredible matches; did you have similar mindsets going into them?

RHIO: I loved wrestling in Philadelphia over Wrestlemania Week. I loved all of my matches. I would say my mindset going into them was very different, as the one for PROGRESS was a singles match with the former champion I beat, and someone I know very well (Lana Austin). So, with that said, I knew she was coming into this with extra motivation. Whereas my match at ThrashElvania was a triple threat with two women I have never wrestled before. So, I went into that match knowing that I didn’t have to be pinned to lose. I didn’t fully know what to expect from my opponents. So, I had to watch my back even more in that one.

Delmi Exo gets clobbered by Rhio’s side headbutt during their triple-threat bout for the PROGRESS Women’s title at ThrashElvania, which took place over WrestleMania Weekend.
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ASHLY: Do you approach a match differently when you’re facing more than one opponent, or an opponent that you don’t face often?

RHIO:  When it comes to approaching my matches, I always approach them differently. Because I know that all my opponents are different, they think differently, and they move differently. 

ASHLY: Also that weekend, you faced Shoko Nakajima on a TJPW show. This isn’t your first time wrestling for TJPW. Is it different wrestling in the U.S. for TJPW, as opposed to Japan? Do you find wrestling British Style is different from joshi? Are there adjustments to make?

RHIO: It did feel different wrestling for TJPW in the U.S. as opposed to wrestling for them in Japan. I don’t really know why, I can’t quite figure that out. But it was definitely different for me. The British and joshi style do have their differences, but the prominent similarity is they are both a hard-hitting style, which I think transcends well. If I get to face Shoko Nakajima again, which I hope I do, it’s more [that] I need to adjust to her in particular, not the style. Again, it goes back to me taking every opponent as they come.

Rhio catches Alex Windsor with a missile dropkick (rendered all the more devastating by a trash can) during the exceptionally violent 10-woman tag at RevPro’s latest anniversary event.
(PHOTO BY SCOTT LESH)

ASHLY: Looking at your resume, your match in August for the 12th Anniversary of RevPro featured what was easily one of your best matches of the year: the no-DQ 10-woman tag team match. Do you find it’s harder to create a memorable and maybe cleaner match with so many opponents?

RHIO: The 10-woman tag at RevPro for their 12th anniversary was very special. A match of that caliber is definitely not an easy task, but I feel everyone in that match was so different, so everyone showed out in their own unique way. When you have so many experienced and talented people in one match, it does make it easier. We also had an amazing person who helped and supported us. (Thank you, Will Ospreay.)

ASHLY: Wrestling fans can agree your career trajectory is amazing to watch. What’s next for you?

RHIO: I’m so proud of my career trajectory so far, and I plan on keeping the momentum going and the good times rolling. I don’t know what’s next for me, but I’m very excited for my future. I’m going to keep working hard and be open to every opportunity that is presented to me. 


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HYAN On Her Global Wrestling Campaign

SHE CALLS HERSELF “The Renaissance Woman” … and, as 2024 draws to a close, no one is questioning that moniker. Hyan has remained one of the highest-ranking indie wrestlers on the annual “PWI Women’s 250,” ranking at #35 in 2024 after coming in at #45 last year. Not holding a full-time wrestling contract is no problem for the Texas native, whose in-ring abilities and proven drawing power continue to garner her bookings worldwide.

Hyan had plenty to share with PWI’s Kristen Ashly regarding her 2024 global wrestling campaign.


ASHLY: This has been a big year for you when it comes to PWI lists. You made the “PWI 500″ for the first time and are back in the 30s at #35 on the “Women’s 250.” What made this a pillar year for you?

HYAN: I think taking a chance on myself by going on long excursions overseas, as well as making wrestling my full-time job, (contributed) to my success this year. I’ve been putting in the work for a long time and it’s very cool to see it pay off.

ASHLY: You, as I wrote in your bio, really had a fantastic global campaign. You returned to Europe, this time in Germany, competing for the wXw Women’s title. Now, outside of the “W250” evaluation period, you’re spending time in Japan (at Marvelous and Pro Wrestling NOAH). Does traveling step you outside your comfort zone?

HYAN: Going overseas, especially for the first time, 1,000% takes me out of my comfort zone. New culture, new opponents, new languages (at times). It’s all a learning experience and really puts your skills to the test.

ASHLY: What do you feel wrestling internationally does for your style?

HYAN: I try to add something from every place I’ve wrestled into my style. The U.K. has a fast and explosive style that’s been molded by Will Ospreay, and that is something that I’ve definitely taken with me to the States.

ASHLY: You faced Giulia for the NJPW STRONG Women’s title at Fighting Spirit Unleashed. How did that opportunity come about?

HYAN: I’d been very vocal about wanting to wrestle for NJPW. And I feel like I just kept putting it out there in the universe for it to come to fruition! It definitely helps to network and meet people. I don’t think I would have gotten that opportunity without Andy Quildan and RevPro.

ASHLY: Fighting Spirit Unleashed was an incredible card. What was your experience working side-by-side with joshi talent, luchadoras, and NJPW legends?

HYAN: It’s a crazy thing to say, “I was on the same card as Tanahashi.” His match was before mine, and when he came through the back I did a little air guitar gesture at him and he did it back. It was a cool li’l moment for me. I have a cool life [laughs].

Hyan poses with a copy of the October 2024 PWI, which contains a writeup on her recent acting exploits.

ASHLY: You won this year’s Queen of the Indies by defeating Masha Slamovich. You lost to Masha in the first round of the 2023 tournament. How did it feel defeating Masha this year? Did you use anything that you perhaps learned from last year’s match? How did you prepare for it?

HYAN: It’s hard to prepare for something like Queen of Indies, because you don’t know who you will end up wrestling past the first round. It’s a literal marathon of wrestling. I thought it was a cool, full-circle moment to wrestle Masha in the finals. I genuinely believe she is the best woman on the indies, and one of the best wrestlers, period. It’s always an honor to get in the ring with her.

ASHLY: Finally, any goals for your upcoming year? How does the 2025 “Renaissance Woman” campaign look?

HYAN: My hope is to wrestle in more countries next year! Australia, Canada, and Mexico are on my lists for sure. My family is Mexican, and I still have family that live there. It’s one of my dreams to have my mom watch me wrestle in Mexico.


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MINA SHIRAKAWA Talks Mariah May, Toni Storm, And Staying Authentic

THOUGH REGARDLESS OF where MINA SHIRAKAWA ranks, fans demand more of her, “The Venus'” spot in the 2024 “PWI Women’s 250″ mirrored how much fans clamored for the 36-year-old Stardom sensation. 

Her year was fantastic. Shirakawa became a phenomenon in All Elite Wrestling as the savior to her tag team partner and friend Mariah May. She traveled extensively across the globe to assert her dominance. She challenged and defeated some of the best wrestlers in the world. All of this without sacrificing her sense of self or originality. Authentically Mina.

In celebration of Shirakawa’s spectacular 2024—and ahead of her appearances with May on AEW Rampage and at Full Gear—we present her written interview with PWI’s KRISTEN ASHLY.


ASHLY: Congratulations on making it to number 16 on the “PWI Women’s 250″! You jumped 35 spots to make the top 20. What do you think changed this year that created such a big leap?

SHIRAKAWA: That jump is because I’m the most international women’s professional wrestler; for most of the year I’ve been flying to wrestle on weekdays in the United States and then on weekends back in Japan. I think the reason I’ve managed to rank so high this year is because there’s a lot of wrestling fans that know who I am now.

ASHLY: You wrestled in the U.K. for the first time this year. In your first appearance for RevPro, you defeated Dani Luna for the RevPro Undisputed British Women’s title. Are there any differences between wrestling British style vs. joshi? Any differences when wrestling in North America?

SHIRAKAWA: I think that British wrestling is quite similar to Japanese wrestling, and the fans were happy when we had a technical wrestling match. One of my signature moves is the figure four, and the fans erupted in cheers when I tapped the champion out with it to win the title. It’s really gratifying to know that my decision to become a professional wrestler wasn’t a mistake. In comparison, I think American-style wrestling is more dynamic. I don’t really change my style of wrestling when it comes to big matches, but I’ll change the types of moves that I use.

Mina Shirakawa uses her signature figure-four leglock to submit Dani Luna and capture the RevPro Undisputed British Women’s championship. (PHOTO BY SCOTT LESH)

ASHLY: You’re returning to the U.S. in what is being reported as a longer tour. Are those reports true? What are your hopes for this time in the U.S.?

SHIRAKAWA: I’ve been making Mariah (May) wait a lot, and I plan to stay in the United States until her feelings of loneliness are gone. I’m here to celebrate her championship win and wrestle a lot of matches as [our team] Rose Gold.

ASHLY: Mariah has turned into what you could call a primadonna. Has your friendship changed since she turned on her idol, Toni Storm?

SHIRAKAWA: Our friendship hasn’t changed in the slightest. We’re still best friends forever. However, I am a little concerned that she’s acting a bit weird recently … but I think with me by her side, she’ll calm down again soon enough.

At Mariah May’s urging, Toni Storm and Shirakawa shake hands after their Forbidden Door AEW Women’s title bout. (PHOTO BY KEVIN McELVANEY)

ASHLY: Your triangle with Mariah and Toni created a huge title opportunity for you at Forbidden Door 2024. Are you still hungry for the AEW Women’s title? Would you face Mariah for it?

SHIRAKAWA: I know that Mariah has worked so hard, both in AEW and in Stardom. Right now, I just want to be able to celebrate her championship win with her. The two of us overcame a lot of hardships together in Japan, so I’m celebrating with her as if I’d become champion.

ASHLY: Since Mariah’s betrayal, you’ve tagged with Toni Storm. Has your relationship with Toni changed? Do you feel closer because of Mariah?

SHIRAKAWA: Well … I’d still like all three of us to be friends. I know that Toni must’ve been really hurt after Mariah betrayed her like that, so I wanted to give her my emotional support. I believe that if I love them both, then we’ll all be able to be friends again. Toni and I are good friends back in Japan. Not only in matches, but privately as well.

Shirakawa and Storm prepare to a tag-team hip attack on AZM. (PHOTO ©STARDOM)

ASHLY: Within Stardom, you’re well-known for amazing tag team wrestling. You won the Artist of Stardom championship with Maika and Xena in March. Do you feel differently about tag team wrestling over singles action? Do you have a preference?

SHIRAKAWA: Xena and Maika are both powerhouse wrestlers, and when the three of us are in the ring together, we’re very smart and synchronized—we defeat anyone! But honestly, I prefer singles matches to tag team matches. With tag team matches you have the support of your partners, whereas in singles matches you have to try and manage everything by yourself. I love the feeling of tension that comes along with singles matches because I think to myself, “How am I meant to take down a bigger opponent if my strength is much less?” It’s like playing chess within your own mind, and I enjoy it a lot.

ASHLY: Stardom has really opened itself to work with international partners, and you seem to be a main beneficiary of that advantage, appearing everywhere. Do you feel it’s easy working with other companies? Have you learned anything in the process?

SHIRAKAWA: To be frank, it’s difficult! It kind of feels like I’m starting a new life all over again. Everyone in Stardom already knows the kind of person that Mina Shirakawa is—the fans, the staff, and other wrestlers. Yet I love meeting other wrestlers when I go to different companies. You have to start off by getting to know others; when I’m in attendance at shows run by other companies, I make the effort to talk to as many staff members as possible instead of just sitting in the waiting room. I have to study the matches of my opponents because I’m not familiar with their movesets. But by watching an AEW show from beginning to end, I can see the types of things that I can add to the show, so I always make sure to watch it the whole way through … and it helps me study English, too.

One company Shirakawa knows well is New Japan Pro Wrestling. In December, she’ll face Johnnie Robbie, an outstanding talent from the U.S. indies. 

ASHLY: You’re wrestling Johnnie Robbie at Strong Style Evolved. Mercedes Moné also happens to be main-eventing. Are there any plans to challenge her for either of her belts at the show?

SHIRAKAWA: I’ve been friends with Mercedes Moné for around five years now, but we’ve never had the opportunity to meet in the ring, even though I’ve always wanted to wrestle her. I’d like to challenge her when I’m at my best mentally. I don’t know when that will be, though.

While Shirakawa’s talent is undeniable, one important aspect of her greatness is her ability to stay true to herself, despite pressures otherwise. It’s a trait that many fans relate to and hold on to for inspiration.

ASHLY: In a recent installment of my PWI women’s wrestling column (“The W Column”), I explained how inspirational you are to women with your refusal to hide from your past. How is staying true to yourself important in wrestling? What would you say to a woman who is feeling shame for who they are?

SHIRAKAWA: There are no answers in wrestling, so you have to go through with the decisions that you believe are the best ones. Really, it’s a test to see how much you believe in yourself. With life, people will try and tell you that you can’t do this, or that you can’t do that. You can’t let yourself be fooled by those people. I hate the saying, “This is how a woman should be.” I want to face the world as a human being regardless of what my gender is. You’re the only person responsible for what happens in your life, and you’re the only person who can make it interesting. If there’s no example of that, then there’s no shame in beginning now. No matter when you start, it’s never too late; you can make it work if you try your absolute hardest!

(PHOTO BY SCOTT LESH)

The past year was a pillar year in the career of Mina Shirakawa. The fans continue to chant “We Want Mina,” and Shirakawa is more than happy to oblige. The future looks bright for “The Venus.”

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Charli Evans Has “Never Been More Ready” for PWA Gold

TEXT BY KRISTEN ASHLY / PHOTOS BY NEW PHOTOGRAPHY STUDIOS

CHARLI EVANS IS READY to face anyone for her first Pro Wrestling Australia (PWA Black Label) championship—including her soul sister.

PWA brings back its Colosseum two-day tournament event on October 12 and 13, 2024, showcasing eight of the best of Australia’s wrestling empire. The elimination-style tournament starts on Night 1 with four first-round matches. Night 2 hosts the semifinals and final of the tournament. The last grappler standing wins the honor of holding the coveted Colosseum Sword.

As if the tournament wasn’t reason enough to tune in, Night 1’s main event will turn up the volume. Charli Evans challenges her self-confessed “soul sister” Jessica Troy for the PWA heavyweight championship.

If Evans wins, this will be her first PWA heavyweight championship; and winning it from someone she considers practically family ups the stakes.

“I think it’s kind of beautiful in a way, and poetic that we started so close to each other,” Evans tells PWI. “We clicked instantly, and our paths have always mirrored each other in some way. And no matter what, we’re always brought back together … and you hit your friends a little harder.”

Jessica Troy and Charli Evans share the ring, foreshadowing their eventual title match at Coliseum 2024.

Night 1 has completely sold out at the iconic Metro Theater in Sydney. Brawling in the main event in front of a sea of passionate Australian fans would be understandably stressful, but Evans stands firm in her relationship with Troy.

“There’s a little more room for forgiveness, but this is the biggest match of my career,” Evans shares. “This is the biggest match of her career, and there’s no stress going into it, which is crazy when you think about it. We are main-eventing the show, and we are both not stressed in the slightest. And I think that’s amazing, because anyone else, I would be petrified. But I know her, she knows me, and we’re ready to literally tear the house down.”

In the Fall 2024 issue of PWI, “The Main Event: Australia’s Women Wrestlers Shine Bright” details how special Australia’s scene is for women, allowing them to be wrestlers first and foremost. The result is more eyes on Australian wrestling, and the payoff is a stronger grappling landscape.

“I think we have, collectively, a little chip on our shoulder, do you know what I mean? And we’re ready to prove a point,” says Evans. “We’re so far from the rest of the world, so it’s either go out and get noticed or be so good that they notice us. And I think we’re finally getting to the point where people are just noticing us from being here.”

Evans eliminates Ben Braxton to win the 2024 King of the Metro Rumble.

Evans continues, “And 10 years ago, you had to go to America, you had to go to England, you had to go to Japan. Not saying you shouldn’t, and not saying that that isn’t great, because I’m blessed and I have loved every second of traveling and wrestling in different countries. But to have eyes on us in our home country is just an unreal feeling.”

The excitement is boiling, but Evans is keeping her eyes on the prize. Troy has held the PWA heavyweight championship for more than a year now, defending it against some of Australia’s top competitors. The possibility of ending Troy’s historic reign as the first woman PWA heavyweight champion adds a little extra spice to the match.

“Chevs” is ready to take home the prize that has, until now, eluded her.

“I’ve put so much pressure on myself this whole year,” Evans reveals. “I don’t know, I’ve just had a resurgence of going after [what] I want, and I’ve done so much that I never would’ve even imagined. I didn’t plan to go back to England, and it just happened. And I didn’t think I’d ever get to get the Wrestling Resurgence title back, but I did. And I’ve laid out very specific things that I want, and every single one I have knocked off. This is the last one to do, and it’d be crazy of me to not do it.”

The 2024 PWA Black Label Colosseum event will offer wrestling fans a look at Australia’s finest, and it’s only fitting that two women are battling for a heavyweight title in the main event. If you’ve been paying attention, it should come as no surprise. Win or lose, as Evans tells it, she’s never been more ready than now to announce her supremacy.

If you can’t make it live, catch 2024 PWA Black Label Colosseum for free on PWA’s YouTube channel on October 12 at 5am ET/8pm AET and October 13 1am ET/4pm AET.

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THE SYSTEM WORKS: PART TWO

ALISHA EDWARDS Talks Dream Opponents, The Intersection Between Real Life & Wrestling, And Lots More

PHOTO COURTESY TNA WRESTLING

Every opportunity that I’ve been given, I’m trying to show what I can do. And I think I’ve been able to show that I’m just not a pretty face and I’m just not a manager.

FOLLOWING ON FROM our last interview we did with Brian Myers and Eddie Edwards, PWI Contributing Writer Jason McVeigh recently caught up with another member of TNA Wrestling’s The System, Alisha Edwards.


McVEIGH: You’ve been with TNA for quite a while, but, in my opinion, you are doing the best work of your career right now. Tell us a little bit about The System and what it’s like to be involved with the group.

EDWARDS: I mean, it’s been great. I thought Hard to Kill was going to be the top of what we’re gonna do, but I think the momentum of The System has been great. We all have title belts. We’re already six months into a year. And, I mean, we’ve been dominating since day one. So, it’s been great. We have a special relationship, and I think it just organically works for all of us. I think we all bring something to the table.

McVEIGH: When I spoke with Brian and Eddie, they said a lot of the success of the group is actually about the real-life relationships that you guys have with each other. How important do you think that is to making the whole thing work?

EDWARDS: I think that’s the icing on the cake. You can throw a bunch of people together and expect them to do their job and they probably will excel. But I really think us having a personal relationship, and me and Eddie being a real-life couple, gives The System that organic and real feel … and kind of brings everything together at another level.

McVEIGH: Something else the boys spoke about was not just what you contribute onscreen, but you bring to things backstage, as well. Tell us a little bit just about your backstage role in TNA, either officially or unofficially.

EDWARDS: Yeah, so I’m kind of like … I’m still talent, so I’m not fully into the behind the scenes, but I’m slowly learning different departments like the marketing, promotion, how we can brand the Knockouts, and stuff like that. I do some of the holiday photo shoots. I’m mom of the locker room, I’m party mom on the fun nights (laughs) I’m kind of like the glue that holds the locker room together. But I’m very, I would say … I like to follow the rules and keep everyone else following what needs to be done. But I like to have fun, too. I’m kind of learning what I want to do when I’m done wrestling, I guess.

McVEIGH: What does it mean to you to be a TNA Knockout and to see the evolution of the division over the years and your part in that?

EDWARDS: The Knockouts were kind of what made me want to wrestle in the first place. At the time I came up in the business, it was like the bra and panties matches in WWE and all that stuff. The Knockouts were doing something totally different. And I still stand by that. I think we’re diverse and we bring a lot to the table in different aspects and in different styles. And I think we’re just getting started, to be honest. We have a lot of things coming up and we have a lot of new Knockouts in our division right now that are killing it, like Ash By Elegance, Xia Brookside, and Steph De Lander. It’s definitely different every year, but right now it’s very exciting for the Knockouts division.

McVEIGH: Something else that’s exciting is you’re one-half of the Knockouts tag team champions with Masha Slamovich. It’s maybe a little bit of an odd couple, but how’s it been for you?

EDWARDS: I keep it business and I needed another championship to bring to The System. At the same time, Masha needed a partner. So, I think the timing was perfect. And I think I bring the best out of her and vice versa, you know what I mean? She gets the job done and I’m more of the mouthpiece and knowing what needs to be done on that side of things. It’s just a perfect match.

PHOTO COURTESY TNA WRESTLING

McVEIGH: You’re quite a versatile performer. One moment you might be kicking butt in the Knockouts division, the next moment you might be dressed to the nines while accompanying The System. Then, the next moment you might be having your head chopped off in the Hardy Compound. What was it like filming those kind of scenes and doing something completely different (I imagine) from what you’re used to?

EDWARDS: When I first got to IMPACT, I wasn’t really in the Knockouts division. I wasn’t on TV a lot . I think just every opportunity that I’ve been given, I’m trying to show what I can do. And I think I’ve been able to show that I’m just not a pretty face and I’m just not a manager. And maybe I’m not giving those five-star matches that maybe the Knockouts champion is doing. But I think I bring a lot to the table. And, with all these extra things that we’re doing, the cinematic matches and the Hardy Compound stuff, it lets me show my versatility.

McVEIGH: And it’s been a ton of fun to watch. Speaking of the Hardys, though, can we expect you and Reby to be wrestling soon?

EDWARDS: I mean, I’m sure she’s not gonna like that I cost Matt his championship title match. So, I’m sure it’s not over between us. But I’m not scared of Reby, and I’m not scared of Matt, either … or the 18 million children they have. So, bring it on! I’m ready for it.

McVEIGH: Backtracking a little bit … I think one of the best things TNA has ever done was the Eddie Edwards and Sami Callihan feud, which you were also involved with. To me, it was a modern version of the Raven and Tommy Dreamer feud, with you as the modern day Beulah McGillicutty almost. What’re your memories of that?

EDWARDS: It was very in depth. I mean that all came from the real accident with the baseball bat and Eddie getting his face smashed by Sami. It brought a lot of real emotions and kind of drove that storyline to that side of things, which was great. Thankfully, Eddie’s eye was still intact, but It could have been bad. But, it ended up being a pleasant surprise in term of what came out of it. It was a really good story to be involved with. It was one of my first stories with the top guys in the locker room. I learned a lot. Sami drives me nuts, just like Moose does, too, but they know what they’re doing in the business. Being able to like work with them has honestly been a blessing.



McVEIGH: What are some of your favorite matches, angles, or storylines you’ve done in TNA?

EDWARDS: I’ve gotten asked this question a lot lately. The Sami storyline was good. The stuff with Ace Austin, where he was trying to steal me away from Eddie … that storyline was a pretty good. I liked when I did the Monster Ball, that gave me a different direction just from being a babyface. The Wrestle House segments we did on IMPACT were really fun. I think that allowed me to show a little personality. Weirdly, COVID was definitely a blessing for me as a performer because t allowed me to do stuff like that. Besides that stuff, just being able to be in storylines with the top guys or getting to wrestle Naomi/Trinity when she was here. That was amazing. Also, being able to bring Traci Brooks out after being away forever and now the Reby and Matt stuff. It’s just been an ongoing ball that’s been continuously rolling, and I’m just kind of going with it and enjoying every moment.

McVEIGH: What’s next for Alisha Edwards?

EDWARDS: Honestly, I didn’t see me having a championship title in 2024, but I do. Why not go for the Knockouts [World singles] championship, as well? I think that’s definitely on my radar. Jordynne, or whoever it might be come the time, I’m coming for you.

McVEIGH: And tell us just a little bit about TNA in general and why TNA is the right place for you.

EDWARDS: It’s the total package. The schedule works for us because we have a little one to take care of, too. We don’t have to be on the road constantly. The freedom and the creativity to be able to bring what we want is also attractive. It’s a lot of collaboration at TNA creatively and in the ring. And I also think the locker room is a big reason. The locker room is very special to me. As a whole, we encourage and inspire each other. So, if I was pushed to say one thing, I think the locker room is definitely my top reason why I love TNA.


McVEIGH: Who would your dream opponent be?

EDWARDS: Are we talking out of who is active right now?

McVEIGH: Yeah. But I guess we can include people from NXT and everything else, now the way things have been going lately.

EDWARDS: I always love to say my best friend Gail Kim. I would love to bring her out of retirement and be able to wrestle her. I mean, come on, Lish versus Gale Kim at Bound For Glory? That would be insane. Aside from that, I would say whoever walks out of Slammiversary as champion. To face them at Bound for Glory, that’s my goal.

McVEIGH: And what would you like Pro Wrestling Illustrated readers to know about Alisha Edwards … and maybe about The System in general?

EDWARDS: That we’re the best and we’re the most dominant faction in pro wrestling. And I’m sorry to everybody that wants to hate us, but the only reason they hate us is ’cause they aint us. So, I mean, I love that they hate us, so stay tuned for the ride.


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THE SYSTEM WORKS

Brian Myers & Eddie Edwards In Conversation With Pro Wrestling Illustrated

The reigning TNA Wrestling World tag team champions reflect on their success to date and get real about their competition ahead of this weekend’s “Under Siege” event.

TNA Wrestling's The System: Eddie & Alisha Edwards with Brian Myers
TRUST THE SYSTEM: Eddie & Alisha Edwards talk shop with Brian Myers at a recent TNA Wrestling TV taping at South Philadelphia’s 2300 Arena. (PHOTO BY KEVIN McELVANEY)

FOR TWO VETERANS like Brian Myers & Eddie Edwards, spending your days basking in former glories could be a perfectly acceptable way to spend one’s career at this point. That’s not what motivates these men, however. Not content to ever phone it in, the accomplished duo are the current, reigning TNA World tag team champions. And Myers & Edwards spoke with PWI’s Jason McVeigh just days before competing at TNA’s Under Siege event. In the conversation below, they tell our readers how it feels to be on top of TNA Wrestling as part of the faction known as The System … and how they still strive to steal the show each and every night.


McVEIGH: So, Under Siege is coming up this Friday. You’re involved in a big six-man tag team match against Matt Hardy and Speedball Mountain. I guess I’ll ask Brian first, what can we expect from the match?

MYERS: I mean, it’s going to be very exciting, right? Six top-tier wrestlers in the main event, you know, anything’s possible in that situation. The System right now is really cooking … we’re out to prove a point, we’ve had some of the best six-man matches the past four months. Put them up against any other trios matches in the entire business. And this will be no exception. And if Matt Hardy thinks he’s going to rejuvenate his career at the expense of The System? He is very, very wrong.

PWI: Just on that one, Eddie, talk a little bit about Matt Hardy. This is Matt’s first match back in TNA, obviously. Is there anything you’re concerned about going against him?

EDWARDS: I’m not concerned. I think Matt, should be the one who’s a little concerned. You know, he’s been gone for quite a while now. Things have changed since he’s been gone. The System is at the top of the mountain right now. And it’s something that he has to understand, like Brian said: Matt’s not going to come in and get the buzz off of beating The System. And we already beat Speedball Mountain. Now, Matt’s back to get a taste of it, too. It’s going to be exciting because it is the first time Matt is back in a TNA ring in however many years. And that’s a cool thing, and it’s going to be cool to be a part of that. But it’ll be even better to put an end to it pretty quickly.

PWI: You guys are the TNA World tag team champions right now and you’ve spent a lot of weeks as a ranked team on Pro Wrestling Illustrated’s web and print rankings. Why is this partnership working so well?

EDWARDS: It’s because there’s a lot that goes into it. It’s not just the stuff that happens in the ring. We are friends outside the ring. Me, Moose, Alisha … we’ve been best friends outside of the ring for a while now. So, this has been percolating for a while before The System formed. And me and Brian, when we get in the ring, we have that same trust and that same respect for each other in the ring that we do outside of it. I think that shows every time we’re in there. Because you can see that having fun, we’re kicking ass, we’re doing it together, and we get to have these great matches together.

MYERS: Yeah, it’s a mutual admiration for each other. We’ve always had that, and then we’ve become best friends. And that shows in the ring. Thenm there’s the professional side of it where you literally have two of the most accomplished tag team wrestlers of our generation, coming together to be a super team. So, all things have fallen into place.

PWI: You kind of touched on it there, Brian … you both are very accomplished tag team wrestlers. What is it that keeps tag team wrestling exciting for you both?

MYERS: I love tag team wrestling. Obviously, I love being a singles competitor, too. I just love wrestling in all shapes and sizes. But I think what we have going now is Eddie and I are out there to steal the show every single night and try to improve on our performance every time we go out there. And I feel like these past four months, we’ve really done that. Each time just gets a little bit better and a little more in sync. That’s what you look forward tom and that’s what keeps me heading into these TNA weekends where I’m like, Okay, sick, we can keep this frigging thing going.

PWI: The System has seen a lot of success in TNA this yearm and it’s been a lot of fun to watch you guys do what you’re doing. Can you speak a little bit on the dynamic of the group? You know, not just the two of you, but Alisha and Moosem as well?

EDWARDS: Yeah, I think it’s a family group. Like I said, we are best friends outside the ring and Alisha keeps us in line. She’s kept me in line for so many years. But also, she’s done that in the back for so many years at this point, that I think it comes across on screen and in the ring, as well. It’s tough to find a group where people aren’t selfish, and they’re not focused on themselves. But this group isn’t. And it’s because we do have this relationship outside of the business.

MYERS: The bottom line is: The System’s real, and that’s why it’s working. And that’s why it’s going to continue to work. It’s as real as it gets in whatm at times, is a very fake industry.

PWI: What can we expect from The System going forward?

MYERS: I see no end in sight, nor do I look forward to that. I want this to go on for as long as we can. I want to live in the moment and be present, knowing that this is a great time in my career. We’re all having a freaking blast being best friends, doing what we do best, and stealing the show, and having fun. That’s what my life and career is about right now.

EDWARDS: Yeah, it’s the same for me. We all realize that we’re doing something special, and it feels like a special time for our careers, but also for the company. We want to capitalize on that. We don’t want to sell ourselves short or do anything to dilute the group. We want to run with this as long as we can to continue to drag TNA up that mountain.

PWI: There’s been a lot of changes in the company recently, but both of you have been loyal to the promotion for a while. Why is TNA the right place for Brian Myers & Eddie Edwards?

EDWARDS: For me, I’ve been here for over 10 years at this point. And I have said all along that the company has always treated me with respect and treated me right. So, that’s the reason that I’ve stayed here all along. But, at this point, it’s about what I want to do with my career. I don’t want to be on the road all the time. I enjoy the schedule that we have. I have a family; I have a daughter at home that I love being home with. And I love our locker room. It’s a group that I can truly buy in on. I buy in to what we’re doing. And I feel that we all have that same sense backstage, where we all know what we’re doing, and that we are all trying to drive this company forward. We keep chugging away, I’ve been trying to learn for 10 years, but I like where we’re going. That’s why I’m still here. And that’s why I believe in TNA.

MYERS: TNA is one of the best things that ever happened to me in my career. It’s just been such a perfect fit for so many reasons. They allow me to be the best version of myself. It’s been a collaborative effort, and a fun creative thing.

PWI: We are still only a few months into this run that The System are having. But are there any moments that stand out?

EDWARDS: Winning the tag team title for sure. And just being in the ring together. The first time we hit our pose in front of the hard cam … that was cool and something that’s burned into my mind.

MYERS: I would say the debut of Nic Nemeth at Hard to Kill, also. Even though it didn’t exactly turn out great for The System on that night, the upside I saw was that it was going to get a lot of people talking about us and about TNA. So, to be a part of that and hear the reaction was a big deal.

PWI: Favorite TNA tag team of all time?

MYERS: I loved America’s Most Wanted. When Matt (Cardona) and I were breaking into the business and were clueless 18-year-olds trying to figure out wrestling, AMW were the best babyface tag team in wrestling, and we really tried to watch their stuff and see what they were doing right. Because they were really getting after it at the time.

EDWARDS: Alex Shelley & Chris Sabin. They’re two of the absolute best on their own and as a team. What they’ve accomplished is next level. And also, a team that was in TNA and so many other places is the Hardys. I was lucky enough to be in there with them when I was a member of The Wolves. I was a big fan of Matt and Jeff growing up, and just everything they accomplished. So, I put them up there, as well.

PWI: What do you want PWI readers to know about Eddie Edwards & Brian Myers in 2024?

EDWARDS: That we’re not going to stop. We’re in it for the long haul, and this is just the beginning.

MYERS: Yeah, and that The System is the real deal and we’re out there trying to steal the show every night and bring more eyeballs to TNA. We’ve got the hardest-working locker room [at TNA], and we are a part of that.


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Long Live Alex Kane!

Alex Kane addresses the people alongside his Bomaye Fight Club, MLW @ 2300 Arena, July 2023

A look back at July 8, 2023, when Alex Kane defeated Alexander Hammerstone to win the MLW World heavyweight championship (as told by one of his top allies in the Bomaye Fight Club).

TEXT BY O’SHAY EDWARDS

You had to be there.

To feel the 2300 building and bubbling over just ready for the moment where it all could just erupt.

You had to be there.

Alex Kane has been working his ass off for this moment for the better part of 20 years, before BOMAYE was even a catchphrase or a chant. And to be able to not only see it, but experience it first-hand, is one of the rare moments in wrestling that I will never forget. Because seeing it on TV is one thing, but seeing and feeling it live?

Man, you had to be there.

Alex Kane, the new MLW World heavyweight champion, is looked upon with pride by O'Shay Edwards

But as much as it’s what you saw, there were moments that you didn’t.

I had a chance to pull Alex away from everyone and just speak to him man to man. Explaining how we both came from Georgia Wrestling in a time where guys like us weren’t really going to get a ‘fair shake.’ Because in wrestling, well, people like who they like, and because we didn’t look like those people, we were going to have to work two and sometimes three times as hard to get where we are. But when we get there, they’ll never be able to take it from us.

Alex Kane applies a waistlock to Alexander Hammerstone, who attempts a rope break

I told him I was proud of him, I told him that I love him, I told him I was OVER THE MOOON happy for him, and I never been more ecstatic to call him my friend.

Long Live Alex Kane. Long Live the MLW World heavyweight champion.

Alex Kane celebrates, 2300 Arena, MLW July 2023
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Sareee-ISM Chapter 2: A Pro Wrestling Dream Team

Saree sits on the ring apron and smiles at the camera

From on the ground in Japan, here’s a special preview of the second produce show promoted by Sareee, complete with words from the joshi superstar herself.

TEXT & PHOTOGRAPHY BY ISSA MARIE
[except for official show graphics]


Following the success of Sareee-ISM Chapter 1, a complete sellout with a high streaming rate, Sareee is ready to do it again. This time, at Sareee-ISM Chapter 2, she is giving fans the best of the Western and Japanese styles by forming a pro wrestling dream team with the former IWGP Women’s Champion, KAIRI

While in Japan, I had the opportunity to speak with Sareee about Sareee-ISM Chapter I and choosing KAIRI as her partner for this latest round.  


“It had been a while since I last wrestled in Japan … wrestled Chihiro Hashimoto,” Sareee reflects. “Unfortunately, I was not victorious in my triumphant return match, but not being able to win fueled me.  I have now made it my personal goal to defeat Hashimoto in our next encounter.”

Sareee is speaking of the main event of her first produce show. Aside from the headline match not ending in her favor, the card was a resounding success on all counts. “That night, I was able to use all of the knowledge I gained here in Japan and overseas,” she tells me. “And I am very happy with the results and success of Sareee-ISM Chapter I.” 

Loss aside, the overall experience of the first Sareee-ISM show was all the encouragement she needed to want to do it again. But why only a four-match card?

“I believe that in pro wrestling, quality outweighs the quantity of the matches ,” said Sareee. “Fans pay to watch the best pro wrestling.”  And ain’t that the truth!

A higher number of matches doesn’t necessarily translate to selling more tickets. However, I would say that teaming with KAIRI will certainly help. Smiling, Sareee explained that “for the second show, I wanted to show the fans the best of both worlds [Western and Japanese styles of pro wrestling] and I can only do that with KAIRI; we are the only ones that can do it!”  While their respective experiences were very different, both Sareee and KAIRI worked tirelessly to incorporate their deep-rooted joshi training into their sports entertainment wrestling while under the WWE umbrella.

Headlined by the tag team match featuring Sareee and KAIRI, Sareee-ISM Chapter 2 will stream live worldwide via sareeelive.com: Friday August 4, 2023, 7:00 p.m. JST/6:00 a.m. EST/3:00 a.m. PST. 


The match card is one you will not want to miss:

Opening Match
Chi Chi vs Ibuki Hoshi

Second Match
Kaoru Ito & Kohaku vs Jaguar Yokota & Kizuna

Semi-Main Event
Miyuki Takase vs Mio Momono 

Main Event
Sareee & Kairi vs Arisa Nakajima & Takumi Iroha

I didn’t need much convincing to watch this show But, if you’re still unsure, Sareee has a message for you:

“I hope that all fans around the world stream this second chapter, where the beauty of Strong Style is showcased by the wrestlers that came before me, and the future of Joshi. This match card is a dream come true, from America to Japan, WWE/NXT to Sareee-ISM, KAIRI and I want to show you the best of pro wrestling of both worlds.  Thank you for your continued support! I look forward to the day we can meet again!”

And stay tuned for Part II of this interview, where Sareee and I talk about her typical day … and I share what it was like to watch her train with her mentor, Kauro Ito!